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Welcome to the Bogosity Podcast
for the week of November 16 2025,
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the podcast that went
chasing waterfalls.
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This is your host, Shane Killian. Let's
misprize the News of the Bogus.
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And we'll begin with an update.
Actually, now that I look at it,
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it seems all of our stories
this week are updates!
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Either direct updates to stories we've covered
before, or additional stories in continuing coverage.
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This one is an update to the story of
former Kentucky court clerk Kim Davis,
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who refused to do her job and issue
marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
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She was required to do so because
of Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015,
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where the Supreme Court ruled that denying
same-sex couples the right to marry
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was a violation of the 14th Amendment.
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Nonetheless, Kim Davis repeatedly violated her oath
of office—and several interceding court orders—
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resulting in a court ordering her to pay
$360,000 in damages and attorney's fees.
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Understand: we are not talking
about pastors in a church.
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They can deny anyone their services
for whatever reason they want.
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If that were the case with Davis,
I'd be on her side, but it isn't.
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This is about what court clerks
and justices of the peace can do.
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After losing her appeal at the Sixth Circuit,
she appealed to the Supreme Court.
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And the justices just denied certiorari,
meaning the Sixth Circuit's ruling stands.
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Their only statement was:
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"The motion of Foundation for Moral Law for leave to
file a brief as amicus curiae out of time is denied.
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The petition for a writ
of certiorari is denied."
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Justice Barret wasn't on the court in
2015 when Obergefell was decided,
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but she did say that the court should correct
mistakes and overturn decisions, as they did in Dobbs.
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However, she said this case was different because people
made life-altering decisions as a result of the decision.
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The court denied cert without comment, but
Thomas and Alito wrote a statement that,
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despite what you might have heard in the media, wasn't
a dissent, but was nonetheless critical of Obergefell.
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However, they both concurred
in the denial of cert.
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Roberts, who dissented in
Obergefell, has given no statement.
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Delaware Law School Professor
John Culhane explained:
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"The Court was never going to take this case.
You didn't have the votes to overturn Obergefell.
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We have a very unsympathetic petitioner
here—someone who openly defied the law and
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withheld marriage licenses, claiming
a religious liberty interest. That's
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no valid reason for denying couples
the licenses they were entitled to."
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As for why there was no dissent, quote:
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"Chief Justice Roberts and others are clearly
trying to preserve what credibility they have left.
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Taking this case would have reignited
a political firestorm they don't want."
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"It was a very substantial judgment against
Davis. Very. And, you know, a civil judgment.
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And I wouldn't be surprised if it forced her into
bankruptcy or something. This was her last hope.
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She's gone through every level of the
appellate process. There's nowhere else to go.
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"After Dobbs, people feared the Court might keep
pushing. But this time, they understood the cost.
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To overturn Obergefell now would mean chaos—states
split on marriage recognition, endless litigation.
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They weren't willing to spend that
political capital for no real gain."
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As for the voters, they made their statement
in 2018 when Davis lost her reelection bid.
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...Right. We can't say that on a podcast. Anyway,
that's the point: Your name is a joke to him.
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So now, you are out for revenge!
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Using the Necronomicon, you come
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to go vanquish him once and for all.
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But the Necronomicon is devious, and it
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Now, in a crumbling world, you
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Fight monsters. Gain allies. Buy guns
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Defeat the bosses of each level.
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Then get your revenge
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Play Lovecraft's Cat! The
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Yeah, we're doing cat.bogosity.tv,
not...that other one.
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What, you want me to get kicked
off the Internet or something?
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So now there's an update
to our Jan6 coverage,
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starting with new videos that have unsurfaced
about the behavior of Capitol Police.
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We know that, just before the riot, they fired
potentially lethal rounds into the crowd from above,
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targeting people in the
head, neck, and upper body,
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including one protester who was
shot clean through the cheek.
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Now, surveillance video shows that 16
people were shot with kinetic-impact rounds,
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including nine who took shots
to the head, face, and neck.
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Specifically, they were .68-caliber FN 303s, powered
by 3000psi and travelling at 300 feet per second.
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Most of the shots were from
less than 50 feet away.
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There have indeed been people killed from being
shot from these rounds in the head at short range,
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although in this case
there were no deaths.
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There were, however, nine injuries that were
serious enough to warrant medical attention.
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All of this, despite Deputy Police Chief
Eric Waldow claiming in a radio dispatch
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that his officers were
using "indirect firing."
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Also despite Waldow claiming he gave
"repeated warnings" to the crowd,
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when he didn't even have a bullhorn and
no warnings were picked up on audio.
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Ordinarily, kinetic rounds are supposed
to be fired at the legs of protesters,
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and only after bouncing them off the ground
beforehand, a technique known as "pain compliance."
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But here, the crowd were definitely
targeted in their upper bodies and heads.
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Targeting the head is specifically prohibited by
manufacturers and industry safety standards.
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FN's website specifically says that the company,
quote: "forbids users from aiming at the head."
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Stan Kephart, who gives expert witness
testimony on police use of force,
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said after viewing the video that it was, quote:
"criminally negligent" and "potentially a lethal act."
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He also said, quote: "There is a wealth
of clear and convincing evidence here
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that police were not trained or equipped
to move, disperse, and arrest stragglers.
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Instead they adopted
a punishment tactic,
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inflaming the crowd and resulting in
injury that they are responsible for."
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One of those firing on the crowd was training officer
Shauni Kerkhoff, who fired Tippman 98 pepper-ball rounds.
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She told the jury at the trial of
the Three Percenters, quote:
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"So it has a small amount
of pain compliance.
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So it should hurt a little bit. So that should deter
actions,. As well as when the ball hits something,
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it will—it is filled with PAVA powder, so it
will launch that PAVA powder into the air
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and will affect the nasal passages as well
as the eyes, causing stinging, burning."
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When asked where she aimed, quote:
"Typically, I aim for the ground."
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Well, the video clearly
shows she didn't here!
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And interestingly, that segues
into the next part of the update,
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about the pipe bombs that were found
near the DNC and RNC headquarters.
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One reason why there were so few Capitol
Police to deal with the rioters is that,
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in a precise timing that many
found to be a little too coincidental,
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they were called away to
deal with the pipe bombs.
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But despite claiming to want
information from any citizen
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enough to offer a $500,000 reward
leading to the arrest of the pipe bomber,
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the FBI didn't do much to actually respond
to anyone who contacted them about it.
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They also had no answer to the
numerous questions people had, such as,
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how was the 1-hour kitchen timer attached to them
supposed to time the pipe bombs to go off after 16 hours?
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So the question is, who is that person caught on camera
the day before who is the prime suspect for planting them?
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According to an investigation confirmed
by several intelligence sources,
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the height, build, and gate of the
suspect is a 94-98% match for Kerkhoff.
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When investigators identified Kerkhoff,
they contacted former FBI Special Agent
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Kyle Seraphin, who was doing
surveillance just next door.
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Quote: "The FBI put us one door away from
the pipe bomber within days of January 6,
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and we were deliberately pulled away for
no logical or logically investigative reason.
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And everything about that tells me that they were
involved in a cover-up and have been since day one."
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And he added, direct quote:
"They were fucking in on it."
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During the Congressional investigation, Thomas
Massie released Capitol Police security footage
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showing that agents were
acting "nonchalantly"
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after being told someone had found a pipe
bomb in the bushes behind the DNC building.
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"There's a pipe bomb!"
"Okay, yeah, whatev."
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A completely nonchalant reaction to a pipe
bomb? What is this, a Canadian airport?
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The analysis was unable to be done until now
because the footage released by the FBI had
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been downgraded and cut to a lower frame rate. The
footage now obtained is much clearer and smoother.
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Now, to be sure, gait analysis has never
been enough to establish someone's guilt.
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But reasonable suspicion? Enough to say, "Hey, why
don't we go investigate that person?" Oh, you betcha!
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Steve Baker, whose investigative
journalism we've covered before
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and who was involved in
this investigation, said on X:
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"This might just be the biggest scandal
and conspiracy in American history.
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Many heroes were involved in bringing this
to light. Some we can name in coming days.
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Some who want no recognition. And
there's much more to this yet to be told."
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Remember: everyone is innocent until
proven guilty, and it may not be her.
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Also, keep in mind, she was a trainee, and may
have thought this was simply a training exercise
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and had no malicious
intent. We just don't know.
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Meanwhile, Kerkhoff left the Capitol
Police in mid-2021 to join the CIA.
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And she now seems to be
permanently unavailable for comment.
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Former Capitol Police Chief
Steven Sund posted to X:
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"The pipe bombs were discovered with perfect
timing to distract, divide, and deplete. The
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American people demand the truth and soon!
Those responsible must be held accountable."
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Unfortunately, it's very difficult to hold
government accountable for anything.
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We'll have to see what Kash Patel's FBI
does. Personally, I'm not holding my breath.
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Neither am I that hopeful that the legacy news
media will do any investigative journalism
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and let the American people
know what's going on.
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Which means all of the myths and lies about
J6 will continue for the foreseeable future.
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Here's an update to a story that we
specifically made a placeholder for.
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Over a year ago, when
the RIAA sued Suno,
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I wanted to demonstrate the current
state of the AI for future reference.
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My only prompt to the AI was, "A folk
song about the RIAA suing Suno."
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And it came up with the song,
"Money Talks, Music Walks."
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♪ Dim the lights in smoky rooms ♪
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♪ Whispered words and a singer's doom ♪
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♪ Half the man's lost in the fight ♪
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♪ Music's gone to men in white ♪
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♪ Suno’s voice, it told the tale ♪
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♪ Songs like whispers,
winds that wail ♪
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♪ The suits came knocking at his door ♪
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♪ Tied his tunes forevermore ♪
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♪ Money talks ♪
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♪ Music walks ♪
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♪ Chained by rules ♪
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♪ Silent squawks ♪
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♪ Dreams in court ♪
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♪ Hearts in halt ♪
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♪ Creativity ♪
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♪ Now a fault ♪
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Just because it was a demonstration
of the state of the technology,
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I provided no other
creative input whatsoever.
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I also didn't do any remixing or anything like
that. This was just for historical preservation.
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The idea was to have a baseline to
compare the progress of future music AIs.
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And now, there's been a new
benchmark in quite an amazing way.
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An AI generated song has just went viral and reached
No. 1 on Billboard's Country Digital Song Sales chart.
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It's from some group named Breaking Rust,
but no one seems to know who they are.
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The song, "Walk My Walk," seems to be completely
algorithmically generated, both music and lyrics.
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At least, there's no
singer or lyricist credited.
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That means it should be public
domain, so let's listen to a bit of it:
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♪ I've lost some friends,
made a few new foes ♪
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♪ But that's just life,
that's how it goes ♪
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♪ I ain't bending over
just to please a crowd ♪
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♪ If I fall down, I'll fall down proud ♪
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♪ I'll talk my truth, I'll live my way ♪
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♪ Ain't nobody gonna take my say ♪
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♪ This road's been rough,
but I learned the trade ♪
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♪ It's sweat, soul, and dues I paid ♪
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♪ You can kick rocks if
you don't like how I talk ♪
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♪ I'ma keep on talking and walk my walk ♪
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♪ Ain't changing my tone,
ain't changing my song ♪
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♪ I was born this way,
been loud too long ♪
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♪ You can hate my style,
you can roll your eyes ♪
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♪ But I ain't slowin' down,
I was born to rise ♪
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♪ So kick them rocks if
you don't like how I talk ♪
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♪ I'ma keep on talking and walk my walk ♪
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Wow...I don't know about you, but I like it! It's actually
such a good message, it's hard to believe it came from an AI.
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It's clearly vastly improved from the
"Money Talks, Music Walks" days,
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but we also see some of the same
old telltale aspects unique to AI.
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Including the fact that they never
quite know when to end the song.
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By the way, one thing you should
never do when watching this song
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is hit the F12 key and copy
the link to download the audio.
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Because PD or not, that's illegal, according to the RIAA.
But that's another story. Check my channel for more.
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Of course, the controversy
immediately broke,
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with complaints that people won't like it because
AI has nothing to say that people connect to.
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I dunno, sounded like
it connected with me!
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That song captures exactly
how I feel a lot of the time!
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And apparently, millions of others think so,
too! So who are you to speak for them?
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Let's jump straight to the top-level
idiocy with an X post from Matt Walsh:
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"This AI 'singer' has 2 million monthly
listeners on Spotify. I hate this so much.
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I cannot describe how much I hate it. If I
could commit a genocide against AI, I would.
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AI 'art' is the death of the soul. Pure
dystopian hell. Did I mention that I hate this?"
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Geez, talk about the things that
could make Skynet want to kill us!
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I guess, once a warmonger,
always a warmonger.
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The general rule is, if it evokes
an emotional response, it's art.
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Well, that's a pretty
emotional response!
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Although I think he captured the "soulless" and
"inhuman" aspects a lot better than the AI did!
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Anyway, why don't we let the AI,
ironically, deliver its own response?
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♪ Let the haters talk,
let the rumors fly ♪
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♪ I ain't got time to wonder why ♪
00:18:31.800 --> 00:18:35.000
♪ The good Lord knows the man I am ♪
00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.520
♪ And I'll die standing tall
with a mic in my hand ♪
00:18:38.520 --> 00:18:41.880
♪ You can kick rocks if
you don't like how I talk ♪
00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.320
♪ I'ma keep on talking and walk my walk ♪
00:18:45.320 --> 00:18:48.680
♪ Ain't selling my soul
for a seat at your table ♪
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♪ I'm rough, I'm raw,
I'm wild, I'm able ♪
00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:55.320
♪ You can hate my fire, but
you can't kill my spark ♪
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♪ I'm a midnight flame
burning through the dark ♪
00:18:58.760 --> 00:19:02.120
♪ So kick them rocks if
you don't like how I talk ♪
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♪ I'ma keep on talking and walk my walk ♫
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Yeah! You tell 'im, Rusty!
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Another point is that AI might be
used by people filling a niche
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that isn't served by the traditional artists under
the thumb of their sanitized corporate masters.
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When human artists trade
their souls for a copyright,
00:19:26.557 --> 00:19:31.640
bowing to the grinding industrial
factories that copyright all but mandates,
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the people will find a way to
make their voices be heard!
00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:41.240
So, I'm sorry to tell you this, but if you don't
like this because it reduces music to a formula
00:19:41.241 --> 00:19:46.673
and mechanically generates an output not that
creatively derived from everything that came before,
00:19:46.674 --> 00:19:50.680
well, that's been the state of
popular music for awhile now!
00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:58.120
And yet, none of that seems to earn the derision of the
people who say they oh-so-much care about about art.
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Meanwhile, there seem to be a lot of people on
X and other social media who love the song.
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it, isn't that what really matters?
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this week's Biggest Bogon Emitter.
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A lot of the anti-AI movement is really just a
cover for the long-time anti-scraping movement.
00:21:33.560 --> 00:21:38.260
A lot of people don't like the fact
that public content is, well, public,
00:21:38.260 --> 00:21:44.120
and once you show it to people they can do whatever
they want to with it short of a copyright violation.
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They long ago lost this fight, but AI
gives them a renewed chance to try.
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It's part of the fight
for the open Internet,
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and now Wikipedia has revealed
themselves to be on the wrong side of it.
00:21:58.040 --> 00:22:03.800
Gone is the Wikipedia that protested
SOPA/PIPA and all sorts of intrusive regulations.
00:22:03.800 --> 00:22:08.393
The Wikimedia Foundation has made
a blog post telling AI developers
00:22:08.393 --> 00:22:14.360
that they should use its content "responsibly,"
by paying them to scrape their data.
00:22:14.360 --> 00:22:21.800
But Wikipedia is public domain! This would be like
if Project Gutenberg demanded licensing fees!
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They also screech that the bots "evade
detection," which they're also allowed to do!
00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:32.760
So are you, by the way, using those same
techniques to foil fingerprinting schemes.
00:22:32.760 --> 00:22:37.240
This would stop you from
maintaining your privacy as well!
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Quote: "For people to trust
information shared on the internet,
00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:44.600
platforms should make it clear where
the information is sourced from and
00:22:44.600 --> 00:22:48.840
elevate opportunities to visit and
participate in those sources."
00:22:48.840 --> 00:22:54.440
Tell us you have no clue how AI works without
saying you have no clue how AI works!
00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:59.507
Of course, they also, earlier this
year, posted a new "AI Strategy"
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to help with a lot of tasks such as
translation, moderation, and onboarding.
00:23:04.120 --> 00:23:06.840
So, they're hypocrites as well!
00:23:06.840 --> 00:23:12.600
One more way Wikipedia has
fallen from grace, and fallen hard.
00:23:12.600 --> 00:23:17.240
No one should give another
dime to Wikipedia after this!
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And now let's hyperimmobilipilificationify
this week's Idiot Extraordinaire.
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And this week, it goes to Google,
00:24:46.360 --> 00:24:51.800
for what's become a severe issue between
tech giants and small open source projects.
00:24:51.800 --> 00:24:54.553
In this case the project is FFmpeg,
00:24:54.554 --> 00:24:59.640
which is another of those you might be running in
a lot of the software you use without realizing it.
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:05.880
FFmpeg's job is to encode and decode video
and audio in just about every codec imaginable.
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:12.360
Google has deployed advanced AI tools to find
security vulnerabilities. Which is good, right?
00:25:12.360 --> 00:25:17.960
The issue is when their target is small,
volunteer-run projects like FFmpeg.
00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:20.680
Especially given how
underfunded they are,
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:25.960
particularly in proportion to how widely
used and relied-upon their software is.
00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:31.160
So what happens when this security
infrastructure turns small projects into victims?
00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:37.720
Google's AI, known as Big Sleep, has been
finding all sorts of obscure bugs in FFmpeg,
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:42.840
so obscure it's unclear if they ever would have
been exploited without Google finding them.
00:25:42.840 --> 00:25:48.760
FFmpeg tweetXed: "Security issues are
taken extremely seriously in FFmpeg,
00:25:48.760 --> 00:25:53.800
but fixes are written by volunteers. This
point cannot be emphasized enough.
00:25:53.800 --> 00:25:58.280
FFmpeg is written almost
exclusively by volunteers."
00:25:58.280 --> 00:26:00.847
So all this new AI bug-hunting
00:26:00.848 --> 00:26:06.280
represents an immense burden on open source
maintainers who are already stretched thin.
00:26:06.280 --> 00:26:13.800
The latest controversy started with a "medium
impact issue," described as "exceptionally obscure."
00:26:13.800 --> 00:26:20.147
That kind of ruffled the feathers of the software's
volunteer maintainers. As one post pointed out:
00:26:20.148 --> 00:26:26.647
"Google spends literally millions of dollars for
security researchers to find bugs in projects like FFmpeg
00:26:26.648 --> 00:26:31.080
while contributing next to nothing of
value to the projects themselves."
00:26:31.080 --> 00:26:36.280
Especially for bugs that are, in
FFmpeg's words: "CVE slop."
00:26:36.280 --> 00:26:41.747
FFmpeg said on X: "The core of the
debate is Google should send patches.
00:26:41.748 --> 00:26:46.414
Billions of dollars of AI infrastructure
and highly paid security engineers
00:26:46.415 --> 00:26:51.320
used to pressure volunteers
into fixing issues for free."
00:26:51.320 --> 00:26:56.114
Good point. Are you telling me that a
trillion-dollar corporation like Google
00:26:56.115 --> 00:27:01.320
can't put some of their massive engineering
talent towards submitting a few fixes?
00:27:01.320 --> 00:27:08.360
Here's my question: If their AI can find the
bugs, why can't their AI write the patches?
00:27:08.360 --> 00:27:14.086
By the way, Google makes extensive use
of FFmpeg in the backend for YouTube.
00:27:14.086 --> 00:27:18.120
Shouldn't they at least be giving
them a good deal of funding?
00:27:18.120 --> 00:27:22.493
FFmpeg is far from the only
project facing these issues.
00:27:22.494 --> 00:27:25.093
For another example, libxml2,
00:27:25.094 --> 00:27:29.760
another that you may have been running extensively
in the background without realizing it,
00:27:29.761 --> 00:27:34.840
recently saw its maintainer, Nick Wellnhofer,
step down because he had to, quote:
00:27:34.840 --> 00:27:39.893
"spend several hours each week dealing
with security issues reported by third parties.
00:27:39.893 --> 00:27:43.661
Most of these issues aren't
critical, but it's still a lot of work.
00:27:43.662 --> 00:27:48.528
In the long term, this is unsustainable
for an unpaid volunteer like me.
00:27:48.529 --> 00:27:55.195
In the long run, putting such demands on OSS
maintainers without compensating them is detrimental.
00:27:55.196 --> 00:27:58.280
It's even more unlikely
with Google Project Zero,
00:27:58.280 --> 00:28:05.000
the best white-hat security researchers money
can buy, breathing down the necks of volunteers."
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:08.961
Made even worse is a
policy change back in July
00:28:08.961 --> 00:28:14.040
that only gives projects a week between
discovery and publicly announcing it.
00:28:14.040 --> 00:28:19.227
A lot of these rules are put in place so that big
corporations like Microsoft don't just ignore them,
00:28:19.228 --> 00:28:22.360
instead putting pressure on
them to patch their software.
00:28:22.360 --> 00:28:26.227
But obviously, those issues don't
exist with open source software,
00:28:26.227 --> 00:28:30.600
and the last thing OSS maintainers
need is more pressure!
00:28:30.600 --> 00:28:36.827
Especially ones that give massive benefits to
giants like Google, Microsoft, and Amazon,
00:28:36.828 --> 00:28:40.120
who don't seem to feel any
obligation to give back.
00:28:40.120 --> 00:28:46.840
Add to that these numerous AI-scripted bug
reports, and it starts to look more like bullying.
00:28:46.840 --> 00:28:53.760
In fact, FFmpeg said: "Arguably the most
brilliant engineer in FFmpeg left because of this.
00:28:53.760 --> 00:28:58.460
He reverse engineered dozens of
codecs by hand as a volunteer.
00:28:58.461 --> 00:29:02.594
Then security 'researchers' and
corporate employees came along
00:29:02.595 --> 00:29:09.294
repeatedly insisted 'critical' security issues
were fixed immediately waving their CVEs.
00:29:09.295 --> 00:29:14.760
This was hugely demotivating to the fun
and enjoyment of reverse engineering."
00:29:14.760 --> 00:29:17.360
Mark Atwood said in a reply:
00:29:17.361 --> 00:29:23.493
"I spent about a week at year at my time at Amazon
preventing us from accidentally fucking over FFmpeg.
00:29:23.494 --> 00:29:30.727
I usually had to start each conversation with 'They
are not a vendor, there is no NDA, we have no leverage,
00:29:30.728 --> 00:29:38.594
your VP has refused to help fund them, and they could
kill three major product lines tomorrow with an email.
00:29:38.595 --> 00:29:41.400
So, stop, and listen to me...'"
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.407
Security researcher
Katie Moussouris Xed:
00:29:44.408 --> 00:29:46.600
"The problem with what
Google did in this case
00:29:46.600 --> 00:29:53.080
was in not applying its considerable resources
into proactively offering patches to FFmpeg,
00:29:53.080 --> 00:29:57.880
not that it applied its default disclosure
terms to the bugs it found and reported."
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:00.520
More recently, FFmpeg Xed:
00:30:00.520 --> 00:30:06.713
"One last thing: Google boasted to the
media about its AI detected vulnerabilities
00:30:06.714 --> 00:30:10.680
before FFmpeg volunteers
were able to send fixes.
00:30:10.681 --> 00:30:15.812
A dozen AI vulnerability reports were
dumped on FFmpeg volunteers
00:30:15.812 --> 00:30:23.480
at the same time Google was boasting to TechCrunch.
Is Google Security really about marketing?"
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:28.600
Maybe things could turn around if more
Google engineers, cognizant of this issue,
00:30:28.600 --> 00:30:35.640
contemplated that slogan on their wall
that says, "Don't be evi—" Oh, wait...
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:43.320
Well, if you want to be better than Google, and you have
any coding skills, maybe volunteer a bit of them at FFmpeg.
00:30:43.320 --> 00:30:48.373
So all of that makes Google
this week's Idiot Extraordinaire.
00:30:54.600 --> 00:30:59.160
Well, that wraps up this "Sir, don't you think
it really would look better if this kind of thing
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were done by a woman?" edition of the Bogosity
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